Public Relations guru, radio personality, social media manager, theatre enthusiast, background actor, and more! Pamela Roz is an impressive woman. Thank goodness she’s on our team!
PR and Marketing specialist Pamela Roz joins the podcast and discusses her passion for public relations, radio broadcasting, and animals. The conversation is as fun and diverse as her passions.
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Mark Adam: Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of The Winterpeg Report. I am your host, Mark Adam, and I am going to be joined by a special guest today. Pamela Roz, who’s a PR and marketing person also, you might recognize her voice from several different radio stations around town, and we’re going to get into all that.
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Yeah. That’s. Yeah, we did all the things. Perfect. Now we can jump to our guest. Our guest is waiting in the wings. This is Pamela Roz, a publicity and social media marketer, as well as a radio broadcaster. And I just want to welcome you to the podcast today. How are you?
Pamela Roz: I’m well. How are you? I liked your little spiel to start things off.
Mark Adam: Hey I, if you’re going to tell people to follow you and stuff, you better make it halfway entertaining. Oh, follow us on all the soc–… don’t forget to and subscribe.
Pamela Roz: It’s just halfway, though, no more than halfway.
Mark Adam: Yeah. How, halfway entertaining. If I go more than that, then the people are just like, oh, this guy, there’s this sweet spot, and I’m looking for it. I haven’t found it yet, but I’m looking for it. Uh, that’s another thing. Hey, if you wanna let us know on all our social media. No, I’m just kidding. Yeah, just I’m happy to have a guest on, so thank you for joining us. And we’re going to talk about you and the cool stuff you do right here in Winnipeg, and first of all, how are you doing today? The weather outside is…
Pamela Roz: Frightful? I’m good. I’m having to be honest by about this time of the day. If I’m still drinking coffee, there’s a little bit of Bailey’s in it, cause that’s how I like to end my work day and I can do because I’m at home and I really only go outside to feed the birds and the squirrel that I take care of. Yup. That’s me now.
Mark Adam: Whatever works, whatever works. I respect that. It’s one of those things where like my girlfriend has adopted the neighborhood cat, the cat comes to the door and she just hangs out and feeds it. And I don’t, that’s just, that’s the thing you do now because that’s the only social interaction you get, so make it count, I suppose.
Pamela Roz: And here’s the thing, social interaction is less frowned upon now, but we’re so used to not social interacting that it’s it’s a big choice to actually do that again.
Mark Adam: I know. And let me tell you as an extrovert, it has been very difficult for me over the last two years, just being stuck inside and basically dying.
So I, socially, I’m looking so forward to the reduction in restrictions because I like to follow. The guidelines as best I can, and I really think that the restrictions, either open it up or lock it all down just enough of the halfway there, halfway not, there’s, there’s a time for looking for the sweet spot.
And then there isn’t, it’s either, either do something about it or stop doing things about it.
Pamela Roz: There’s a reason why so many people don’t like doing the limbo, because it hurts your back, but in this case it hurts our brains. Am I the only one who doesn’t like the limbo because it hurts my back?
Mark Adam: No, you’re you, myself and every other old person on the planet.
Yeah, we’re not yet. We had a conversation just before about what the kids are saying these days. And I, we never did actually come up with. They’re actually saying, so that’s, that should tell you the listener, something about us.
Pamela Roz: Yeah. I say we bring back gnarly. Did they say bring back like gnarly…
Mark Adam: radical…
Pamela Roz: tubular… I mean, I think that we were both not old enough to even use those words when they were popular, but we could do it now.
Mark Adam: I think radical made a resurgence in the nineties, but yeah, I think that like totally radical, like that was a big thing, I’m being a child from the early eighties. It’s, it’s wonderful. When those things come back, apparently the seventies are coming back. My girlfriend is really upset about all the amount of bell bottoms that she’s seeing in stores these days. So that’s a thing, I guess. I dunno, but let’s talk about you. Let’s you you’re here, you’re the guest. Let’s talk about why you’re here and you are. Public relations work, Tamela, Roz, your initials are PR. I just feel like that was destiny. How did you get into the public relations game to start with?
Pamela Roz: Well, I took journalism in college, journalism and radio. So when we would take journalism, our R and J teachers would always call PR the dark side, because, in theory, you make more money than a journalist, but who these days everything’s up and down and all these areas.
But it was actually, I had been laid off from one of my radio gigs and started out with someone to do some radio tracking, which is, sending artists music to radio stations and get him to play it basically, and then started out slowly with publicity that way, and then radio on and off, and on and off over the years.
And then more recently it’s been more publicity, mostly for local bands and artists and theater groups. And then I also work with a company called Ellroy consulting myself and another woman, Lynn who’s who started the company. So I help her with her clients all sorts. We have a construction company, we have a hot sauce company, we have a wellness farm. I do the social media for a pig that lives on the farm. So social media content creation. Scheduling. I love your eyes there. His name is Wilbert. The pig. You can follow him on Instagram, but in a nutshell, yes. Social media marketing, content creation, copywriting.
Mark Adam: Tell us his handle!
Pamela Roz: Oh, @wilbertthelilpig, or, oh, this is terrible of me. Just look up Wilbert the little pig, and you’ll find him. He’s the best.
Mark Adam: That’s amazing.
Pamela Roz: But yeah, it’s a nutshell, it’s like all the marketing things. I still do some journalism stuff in there and yeah, it’s just a big combination of all the things learnt over the years. It’s kind of crazy.
Mark Adam: And that’s sorta, your journalism took you into that direction.
How did you went because you’re also a voice on the radio. How did, was that connected to your journalism stuff or was that kind of your goal or did that happen by accident? What’s going on there?
Pamela Roz: No I feel like I always listened to the radio growing up. I was just what we did. Right. We recorded our favorite songs off the radio, we had favorite announcers, and I think I just admired and sort of just loved that they could talk about music and talk about their interests and playing music, that was one of the biggest things. So when I went to CreCom at red river I was on the now defunct Kick FM. So that started at all.
And then as a major, I was in journalism. So I think, feel like I always loved writing but the entertainment aspect always overpowered that. So being able to talk about entertainment and talk about music yeah, radio has been my number one for 15 years and it’s a very tumultuous, I don’t know if that’s the right word.
It’s a rollercoaster of an industry at times. So yeah, you sort of have to find other skills off air in case the inevitable happens and you get laid off or you decide to leave a station. And I kind of just filled it all in from there. It’s pretty wacky when I think about, the radio side of things, and there is the journalism where I write some articles and do some interviewing and then the PR side as well and how it all kind of works together.
And it’s funny cause you called yourself an extrovert earlier and I am, I’m pretty well an introvert, but all of my jobs and all my activities are quite extroverted and talking to a lot of people. So I think so I think I find a good balance and all of that.
Mark Adam: Well, that’s healthy to find a balance. I myself have a couple of times during this pandemic found myself so burnt out because I’m just trying everything to survive and it’s, you’re just you overload yourself and balance isn’t something you think about until it’s, it’s something that you should’ve been looking at months ago, you know,
Pamela Roz: Until it’s punching you in the face and telling you to take a nap.
Mark Adam: That exactly. So, yes. I, that is exactly this, the thought. So how has your introvertedness kind of helped you maintain that balance? For me, for me, I just want to do all the things all the time.
Pamela Roz: No, I like the idea of doing all the things all the time. But then I really do like being at home. So this whole time I have been employed in one way or another. I feel so lucky. My husband and I say this all the time. We’ve both been employed, I’ve, a couple of part-time jobs, he’s full-time here and it’s been very lucky that way.
And then it’s so funny because now that things are opening and I can go to a coffee shop to work, I now use the excuse of well, that’s minus forty out, and I am, I can work from home still. So why not just do that? So it’s it’s helped me to stay motivated in terms of, there were some time during the past two years that I was like, what, what am I going to do with my life?
But then you have to stop and think that you like really can’t make a huge change right now. This is where we are. And, and I think, is it possible to get too comfortable working from home and just never want to leave? Or
Mark Adam: I don’t think so, but yeah, I like working from home. I don’t, I loved working in the service industry, but I retired from that, and in 2020, I had done it for 20 something years. And. I think two decades was enough. And now that I’m working from home, I just, I extra miss people, because in the service industry, I saw people every day.
Pamela Roz: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And but you know, I say all my jobs and activities are extroverted, but radio really is, imagining the listener, right? I am, I was alone in the booth and you kind of have to imagine that conversation you’re having with someone same with PR I was mostly email and on the phone at this point. And I mean I do theater and I do other things in my ex in my extracurricular. So that’s obviously around more people, but again, over the last two years, it has not been.
So it’s been like I really, I love that things are coming back. I like the options of going somewhere, but I have not tired of, having my own schedule at home.
Mark Adam: Yeah, that makes sense. And isn’t it interesting to me, and you mentioned theater specifically, because I’ve done a lot of theater in my day, and the bulk of the people that I have done theater with have been on the introverted side.
Pamela Roz: Yeah, because it just forces you it forces you, and I’ve said that too, about theater, being mostly an introvert on stage, you can become extroverted because you are playing a role and you were saying the words of someone else or singing the song of someone else and it’s and then you go home and you’re so tired because it’s like exerted all that energy on the stage.
And it’s something, I mean, I know, so many theater people that have now gone into, had to go on and go into more film and TV work, obviously, because that has kept going throughout the past two years. But the stage is something else. It’s, it’s just a different feeling of live in the moment you feed off the crowd you have to hunker down and learn the lines and learn the music, and I think I’d
Mark Adam: Have to do it over and over and over again.
Pamela Roz: And no show is ever the same at the same time. Yeah. So it’s I think of all the things I’ve missed, it’s doing theater. It’s just, I have moments of such sadness because it is coming back. I, I’m not even knocking on wood because I truly believe that this is a turning point for especially theater and the arts to make you come back.
And and we’re going to put our butts in seats for fringe festival. I’m just going to, I know it’s months away, but I’m just throwing it. We’re going to be in the audience
Mark Adam: Priming. You’re priming yourself. Yeah. This is happening. Yeah. Yeah. And as, as an extrovert, my, when I go to the theater, I it’s the same level of energy for me that I’m putting out and getting back as if I go to a house party, but for, but for introverts, it’s a lot more focused and they’re capable, I find they’re capable of doing that, but they go to a house party and they just, they just can’t.
Pamela Roz: I said the word I was 40 and I was like, do I know everyone there will, it end at an appropriate time, are there enough snacks for me to stay entertained and fed? Those are my, oh, is there a pet? These are my three things. So basically my personal, my house party is a get together with close friends.
Mark Adam: Yeah. So you and six people, that’s a Houseparty
Pamela Roz: And probably a cat.
Mark Adam: Yeah, fair enough. See, I just want, I want people, a ton of people there that I don’t know.
I want to meet new people. I want to converse and learn about people and maybe have a conversation with somebody. I do know, but on a, on another level and sit down in a corner with some drinks and snacks and people buzzing around and have that conversation that, takes me deeper into someone else’s life and learn about people.
And that’s, that drives me. And that powers my that’s what charges my batteries. For an introvert, that is the most draining thing.
Pamela Roz: I feel we find a happy medium, right? I find a comfy chair. My favorite spot in anyone’s living room was if they have a sectional and I get the corner, because then he could stretch out either way. My snacks, my beverage, beverage and people come to me and we chat, I’m not going to ignore people, but I feel like you and I could, I could find a center piece of like, okay, I’m ready, I’m I’m armed with, I know I keep mentioning snacks, but I always just take something to occupy myself.
Mark Adam: Like instead of smoking that’s the new oral fixation is snacks.
Pamela Roz: I would take snack breaks. If in the summer, just with, I would stand opposite the smokers and just stand there. and eat a bag of chips. That’s not a terrible idea, actually.
Mark Adam: I worked in the service industry for over two decades and I have never smoked ever. So for me to walk in somewhere and just, at a new job or something, and if I’m stressed out, I don’t get the breaks that the smokers get. And it drove me nuts for 20 years. And now there’s countries that are like, well, we give people who don’t smoke two or three extra weeks vacation because of the time they didn’t waste because they spent it working instead of outside smoking. I was like, really?
And I’m not saying that every place should do that. I’m just saying. There should be a conversation about it because I, on the surface, I think that’s a great idea, but maybe I’m missing pieces, I just don’t want to jump on the train right away. So that’s my political answer.
Pamela Roz: When I was I worked for Ipsos, Reid.
I think I was 16. And it’s a survey. It’s one of the companies who you call people, one of the most known research companies and you call people to do surveys. And I remember a friend and I, one of my first friends, when I went there, we were the only two non-smokers in our group. And we would literally just stand outside with them and because why not? I know,
Mark Adam: Taking my break,
Pamela Roz: I’m taking my non-smoking break. That’s it.
Mark Adam: I’ve literally had bosses. I’m when I’m like, I’m going outside for five minutes and they’re like, why? And I’m like, because I just need five minutes, you let them go smoke. Right? Like you let people go outside and smoke and don’t even question it.
And they’re like, yeah, but you don’t smoke. I’m like, yeah. Why should they get more breaks than me because they’re choosing to give themselves cancer? I don’t understand.
Pamela Roz: So dramatic, but I understand what you’re saying.
Mark Adam: Like yeah. In the moment, you’re just like, how is this a thing? But anyway, I don’t know. I’m just old and curmudgeonly now. That’s just how it is.
Pamela Roz: We’ve all aged in the last two years, my cousin, the other day said she has two kids. She has multiple pets. She’s been working from home on and off, and she said, when did we get so old? And she’s, you know, I’m 37, she’s 35. And I was like, pretty sure the last two years have aged, us drastically.
She’s like, you’re right. Yeah, yeah.
Mark Adam: Yeah. I’m at that age now where the pandemic made me grow more hair. Cause like I’m bald. I sh but I have to shave it. But being at home, like I’m just turning into this like Wolf man, and like I’ll buzz the head like once every month now, instead of every couple of days.
And it’s, it’s a big deal. Cause as you age, you’re like, oh, like I’m going bald. That’s this is a problem. Now I’m like I’m bald, and this pandemic has made me grow terrible hair, like just,
Pamela Roz: and I’m a full head of hair, but have greyed a little bit more. You can’t fully see it yet, but there are, there are the grays in there, but they’re more silver so I can deal with it for now.
Mark Adam: That’s fair. That’s fair. But working from home has been, has been quite a challenge for a lot of people. A lot of people were working from home before this and they’re like welcome to the party pal, you know? So that’s kind of where we are in a society is we’re discovering that we don’t have to make that commute to the office every day.
Imagine the environmental impact of everybody just staying working from.
Pamela Roz: I think that’s what they focused on and really highlighted at least in the first year, over like March to March 2020 to 2021. When you saw those Photoshop pictures of the Venice canal with the dolphins and and none of that was in the end, we’re all like, whoa, this is crazy for the environment because the internet, but realistically, it’s it must have had a good impact, it must’ve.
Mark Adam: Oh, absolutely. The, the sheer volume of gas not being burnt.
Pamela Roz: Yeah, totally.
Mark Adam: Because people are not commuting to work there. There’s like maybe a quarter of the cars on the road that there used to be. Rush hour traffic now is not a big deal.
Pamela Roz: Yeah. It’s busier. It’s busier than it was even a year ago, but it’s yeah, it’s, I feel like it’s just, I mentioned the word rollercoaster earlier. It’s like, it’s just a roller coaster going out into traffic and just being like, what’s going to happen. But we’re going, we’re getting through it. We’re still kicking.
Mark Adam: Yeah. The problem with the people that are out on the road is that they have no idea what they’re doing.
Pamela Roz: Yeah. That’s what everybody says about everybody though. Maybe someone thinks that about you.
Mark Adam: I mean, it’s probable. And every once in a while I’ll make a mistake and I’m like, oh, I’m that guy like, you just, oh, I didn’t. I’m so sorry. Right. When people go by, I’m like, I’m sorry, like when I pass somebody who’s just done some asshole-ish thing, they’re just like, do do do do do, there’s no apology, didn’t even know they did it, that’s the kind of crap that I’m pissed off about. I totally recognize that I’m a human being and I make mistakes, but I will apologize for them all. Hey, sorry. That’s my bad. And when they go, oh, I’m sorry. Yeah, please don’t kill me. I was my fault, my bad
Pamela Roz: Canadians, right? Apologizing for apologizing.
Mark Adam: I’m not sorry that, I’m sorry. I’m just sorry.
Pamela Roz: Just sorry.
Mark Adam: Just sorry. Yeah. I’m base level Canadian. Just sorry.
Pamela Roz: Not too much. Not over the top.
Mark Adam: Yeah. I’m not that stereotype here, but I’m sorry that I’m not that stereotype anyway. We all knew it was coming. Yeah.
So you do PR you do some really cool stuff in that realm. You actually helped me quite a bit with the WPG for those that don’t know when you see Pamela Roz as the author on a post on thewpg.ca, this is, this is the face.
Pamela Roz: I don’t think there are any others in Winnipeg because truthfully and I have no shame in this I’ve Googled myself to make sure, everything’s on the up and up.
And, I don’t think there were any others, it’s usually like authors from other countries with the name Roz. Cause that’s, common enough, but that’s me. That’s true.
Mark Adam: Yeah. Who’s the most famous Roz you know? Character or whatever, because when I hear the word Roz, the first thing I think is Night Court.
Pamela Roz: I think of Frazier.
Mark Adam: Okay.
Pamela Roz: His producer, the Frasier Crane’s radio producer, I guess that’s the one. I think there was a Roz in meet the parents maybe as well, but my grandma was Roz to Rosslyn, so she’s sort of the famous, the most famous one for me.
Mark Adam: Fair fair. The most well-known. Yeah, it’s I it’s it’s pretty uncommon, I think generally to be Roz.
Pamela Roz: I like that.
Mark Adam: So yeah, I mean my last name there’s maybe six in each city possible when you go to Halifax, it’s that, there’s me, my sister, who, who is now married and that’s not even a thing anymore. So it’s me, my dad and end of list. That’s…
Pamela Roz: You’re holding it down.
Mark Adam: Remember phone books, when you look yourself up in the phone book to see how many other, Smith, there’s like 17 pages and Lardner, there’s like two entries
Pamela Roz: That’s good though. You’re a
Mark Adam: Well, yeah, for good or for worse. But I I’m really, I really, I like the stuff you’re doing and let’s talk about The WPG for a second, because one of the really cool things that you are doing is the Local Maker Spotlights, which is featuring some local makers, not local businesses so much, as these are people making stuff out of their garages for the most part, or, in their sewing room or their arts room, or maybe even in their living room, depending on the size of their house.
So these are people that are just doing really cool stuff, crafts, usually crafty, artsy kind of stuff. But I’ll let you tell more of the story, you’ve been talking to these people and conversing back and forth. What are some of the more unique things that you’ve seen doing the Local Maker Spotlights right here in Winnipeg.
Pamela Roz: I mean, I’ve been going to, I became interested in makers long, long ago, going to all of the markets, the Christmas markets, mainly my sister and I would go to all of them and get tons of Christmas presents from the local crafters and food companies, beverage companies, you name it and it’s just continued to grow.
Um, there’s just so there’s so many, I honestly can’t, I don’t want to pick favorites. I know that’s silly, but you see the cow right there. That’s white house. Her name is white house prints, white house art, something along those lines. I’m so sorry. I don’t have the correct name, but she does some of the best animal watercolors I’m going to say in the province and she’s been around a really long time. If you go to any of the markets then you will you’ll find her there. There’s a lot of nostalgia based stuff too. There’s you know, anything, this is not shocking, anything Winnipeg or nineties based. I love they’re beautiful bath and body products, such creative jewelry literally in the Local Maker Spotlight, I think I’ve touched on every single, I don’t know if industry is the word or area of interest and then I try and spread them out, so, you’ll never see two jewelry makers back to back. You’ll never see two candle companies back to back. And yeah, white house started a long, long ago. Cole and Canary for candles started long ago and those were two of the first ones I really followed. It’s just kind of grown from there. In some of them have grown into large businesses, you know, I follow I remember going to the locals, which this sweatshirt is from the it’s inspired by Fresh Prince.
Yeah, so the locals started on Sherbrooke and I remember my old co-host and I went on the first day they opened and it’s all Manitoba made beautiful, everything. They’ve now moved to a warehouse on Logan. They have and they also have a websites, the locals Winnipeg, and it’s all tons of the people I’ve interviewed.
And then more that I hope to in the future, because there is so much to highlight and it is just, trendy isn’t the right word, but it is becoming trendier to shop local, especially over the last two years, there’s been ad campaigns. There’s been just so much encouragement to shop more local because people can make anything like an example is the the maker that one of the makers that I come out with the interviews last week was Luna Juna Candles. And she started because she sensitive to scents and she, instead of buying from far away, she’s like, I’ll just make them myself. So a lot of them, it was filling a need for themselves, having a friend or family member notice, and then turning it into a business and making it their full-time job. It’s super inspiring every week I’m like, maybe I could do this. And I’m like, well, I’m just going to keep writing about them for now.
Mark Adam: Which, can be a business, it turns out, so… Yeah, I, there’s some really cool stuff on the site. And if you go to it’s thewpg.ca you can head over there, bump. This is what it looks like. Look at that. Thewpg.ca and we have, there’s that you can see on the screen there for those that are listening to the audio version, there’s a story about a local artist who wrote a children’s book, there’s Local Maker Spotlights, there’s episodes of The Winterpeg Report, there’s a story about how Manitoba opened up fishing this weekend to people without a license and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like we’re just trying to keep things local, keep things interesting, and eventually when we can have events come back on a larger scale, the event listings is going to be the, I mean, that was really the whole point of The WPG in the beginning was like some event aggregator, all the events with ticket purchasing capabilities and blah, blah, blah. And then the world ended. So that was put on hold.
Pamela Roz: It’s about pivoting. There’s that word. It’s just re-imagining, I guess is a better word for The WPG is re-imagining the contents, reimagining what you can fill the page with, because you’re not going to shut it down because the event shut down.
But you’re right. When things start coming back, it will be, we’ll have the events, we’ll have the Local Maker Spotlight, you’ll continue this podcast. You do music reviews as well. Book reviews, it’s such a wide variety and it’s so Manitoba focused, and it’s, I’m proud to do the spotlight because like I said, everybody’s different, everybody’s just doing their thing. A lot of the stories have to do with, I said a need that someone had, but a lot of it is born out of the pandemic because they lost their job or they became part time or they just needed something to brighten their day. They started drawing or making candles or making jewelry.
My cousin, Freckled Pearl. You can find her on Instagram. She started making. Amazing, amazing earrings that, she’s always been artistic, but I’m just so proud of her because she took something that she needed to cope with everything, and she made it into this business. She has an Etsy, she has socials, she’s been at markets, and to witness that from even a more personal standpoint and see my cousin doing something like that, it’s just, it’s incredible that literally anyone you can just do it, you have an idea, just, just teach yourself. I know it sounds easier said than done if you have kids and this and that, but she has two kids.
She has 8 pets, she has a husband and a job, you know, so. I know. A husband and a job.
Mark Adam: No, no, no… Forget that part. Did you say 8 pets? Just gloss right it over that, just a…
Pamela Roz: She used to work for she used to work for Darcy’s Arc, so it’s more or less like, foster fails and just, she it’s the best. Going over there is the best because you just sit on the couch and you just lay back and there’s cute kids and baby cats, not baby cats, but you know, all cats are babies.
Mark Adam: Kittens? Yeah.
Pamela Roz: There’s cats. She has 3 dogs and I believe five or six, I don’t remember how many cats, not more than that, but one of them happens to be the mom of my cat and my cat was actually, this is such an off topic. My cat was born under her bed like nine and a half years ago. He was the only cat in the litter.
And he, I took him and she kept them on. It’s just a family affair.
Mark Adam: I’m still stuck on 8 pets. That’s a lot of pets.
Pamela Roz: I mean, here’s the thing. It’s like, they have tons of space and she’d never go over the legal amount of pets.
Mark Adam: There’s a legal amount of, I don’t even want to know what the legal amount is. I don’t just know. I just don’t want to know.
Pamela Roz: I could totally just be misspeaking and miscounting and totally overestimating here honestly, she actually has two dogs, that’s it.
Mark Adam: Yeah. She got two dogs and like a couple of stuffed animals. Anyway.
Pamela Roz: That’s it! It’s all an illusion at this point.
Mark Adam: I mean, I have a lot of animals I feel in my house, we have two fish. We have two betta fish. I have two kids, so each kid has a betta fish. My fiance now. I keep saying girlfriend, but I asked her a question and she agreed. So we have an understanding now. So now I have to call her a new word. There’s a new word. I have to get used to. So, fiance, and she has a cat whom I may or may not be a big fan of. And we have together adopted a dog. And so Moffatt is a year and, how old are you? He doesn’t know, like a year in nine, 10 months. We’re working on two years. Coming up on two years. May 1st will be two years. You do the math. I’m not doing it right now. I’m having a brain day. I just can’t. So, I’m usually very good at math and I just, I don’t want to, so, we adopted him, he was a rescue from Nunavut and the day after my birthday in 2021, we adopted him and he’s just, he’s mostly Husky with a little bit of German Shepherd in him and possibly some other stuff, we’re not really, we, we’re, not those people that like DNA test our dogs, we just didn’t do that. That’s whatever.
So he’s we say mostly Husky and yeah, he loves the snow. He’ll run around in the snow for four hours. If you let him. And I mean the extreme cold, he’s not so much a fan of…
Pamela Roz: Though it’s incredible when people post videos of their dogs, like still loving life outside. And they’re just standing there waiting for them to pee.
Mark Adam: Yeah. They go pee and they’re just like, let’s play. No.
Pamela Roz: Totally.
Mark Adam: Yeah. That’s this guy when you get him outside and you’re outside with them, he’s all about let’s play. No! Do the thing.
Pamela Roz: Do the thing and then let’s go inside.
Mark Adam: Yeah. Do you see how many layers I have on? So yeah I understand the affinity for pets and stuff, but I thought our house had a lot.
Pamela Roz: Yeah. I mean, it’s like cats are cats though is right. And when it’s the right environment, they’re like my cat’s a diva, because I’ve created a monster that I feed whenever and he sleeps whenever and wakes me up whenever. But you know, when cats have another cat or a couple other cats, it’s like, they kind of just chill and hang out and get fed and whatever, they get ridiculous amounts of love, especially since she’s been working from home on and off, it’s like, it’s a dream. Well, I mean, it sounds like a dream to me cause I’m not there with all the pets and kids, but it’s in theory.
Mark Adam: I saw a meme that was, I would go back to work in the office, but I don’t want to disappoint my dog. Because the dog is just like, he’s just chilling here.
I’m home all like every day, all day. And he just, we hang out all day and I pet him whenever he walks up to me and it’ll just chill here underneath my seat. I can’t get him on camera cause he’s too far away and I don’t want to make him come over here. Cause that just seems mean to make them get up to dance monkey, you know?
So you just, you do you bro, just chill. Just chill. Good boy. He just straight up. Didn’t move. Perfect. He’s into it. But anyway, back to you because you’re the guest and that’s why we’re…
Pamela Roz: I could talk about dogs all day long.
Mark Adam: That might be what it devolves into. But during a pandemic, that’s what are we going to talk about? Well, how many pets do you have?
Pamela Roz: Exactly.
Mark Adam: I say that I have six pets and the kids don’t like that joke, but it’s shocking. But let’s talk about your radio stuff for a second, cause you also, you do, you were on QX 1 0 4 for awhile. You do. Well, I’ll let you give us your CV.
Pamela Roz: Oh boy. Okay. I mean, I’ll keep it in a nutshell because it’s just a lot over the years.
But I started after CreCom at red river here. I moved to Victoria BC, which still holds a piece of my heart to this day. And I left like 13 years ago. But I started the Q in Victoria, which was a rock station, which was it was so interesting to start there. Say interesting now, it was terrifying at 20, 21, 22, because didn’t know a lot about music, I was moving to an island away from home out of my parents’ house. And and was homesick a lot of the time, but it’s the classic, you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone, but I moved home. Was homesick for Victoria to this day, but, life is interesting. Cause I came home and said, I’m going to do two years here and then I’m going to go again.
And my, my, my main goal forever and ever was Toronto. My sister lived there for a long time. I loved much music radio in Toronto, as the years went on, Winnipeg just kept me here for so many reasons. So after Victoria, I went I was on Curve 94.3, then it was Virgin Radio and then QX and then Hot 100.5 and then QX.
Yeah, I think that’s the order. And there were layoffs in there and I left a couple and then came back to one and yeah, it’s, that’s really in a nutshell because. As I said earlier, radio can be a rollercoaster and an adventure, and sometimes you just don’t align with the station anymore, or it’s just not working anymore.
There’s so many ways of me to word it and it really always sucks in the moment, but it always brings you back to, if this last layoff didn’t happen for me, then I probably wouldn’t be where I am with PR and marketing and working with I mentioned Ellroy Consulting because, the day that I got laid off from this last one, I immediately thought, okay, I got to make a new demo, I have to email this program director of this one in contact, this announcement, see if there’s any openings and this and that. And I very quickly thought, no, I’m going to focus on my PR work. I’m going to focus on marketing. I’m going to learn more of these skills because I truly do love it. My pride in Manitoba is fed because I get to promote companies and artists.
And at the same time I do a theater show on CJMU, which is the nostalgia station 93.7. So that is that’s thrown in there once a week with with a friend of mine, Chris Reed called In The Spotlight on, on Monday afternoons. And we combined theater, which we both love and radio, which we’ve both done, so it’s a chance to interview local theater, performers, directors, artistic directors stage managers people that are from here, but now working in New York or working in England or working wherever. So, that’s been an opportunity I wouldn’t have had if I hadn’t, strayed further from commercial radio. Forced to in the beginning, in July of last year.
And then it, I’m of the age now where the layoffs still really suck and take it personally, and you think, where should I go next? But then, it’s the classic, everything happens for a reason. I’m such a cliche, but it’s true. It’s you still are able to feed other passions. You’re able to fill your cup with other things that maybe you wouldn’t have been able to.
And I feel lucky, God, I’m a walking cliche today, but I feel lucky to be doing the PR stuff. And that is not to count radio out full-time ever again, because it is, 15 years of your life, I suppose I could hang up my microphone. And, but I’m not at the point where I will say those words because I’m 37 and anything can happen with announcers in the city and different program directors, and who knows, and Winnipeg’s where I’m at now. And my husband and I have nieces and nephews here. So there’s not a big plan to leave, but if, say in 10 years, I don’t know, I’m looking too far into the future, but you kind of have to, right? I’m thinking like, maybe I’ll end up back in Victoria. That would be my ultimate.
I love it there so much, and who knows if that could happen someday
Mark Adam: Also, the air doesn’t hurt your face as much in Victoria.
Pamela Roz: Really ever. I mean, it’s been quite the year for them, for winter this year, but I would still probably, I wouldn’t even wear a scarf even if it was snowy, so yeah, I mean, I said in a nutshell, but that’s radio.
Mark Adam: And you said, sorry, was that CJNU 95.7?
Pamela Roz: 93. 93.7, yeah. So we do, yeah, In The Spotlight Mondays at 12:30 PM. And, every Monday we interview a different different local artists. We are interviewing the PTE artistic director coming up on Monday to talk about all their virtual offerings. And it’s just such a good way to, like I said, combine radio and theater, which Chris and I both love. And then also give the exposure to these theaters that are doing things right now the exposure that they need, because it still seems like, cause there are still cancellations and the, like, it seems like there’s not a lot going on, but there is the arts world is starting up again, like we said, and this radio show is our opportunity to just give that push, it might be a small push, but it’s a push on the list and I’m grateful to be able to do that into a microphone at the same time.
Mark Adam: Absolutely. I mean, and you’re very, as people are aware by listening and by watching this, if you’re watching it on YouTube or wherever you’re partaking in this particular episode, she’s well spoken. Right? She’s well spoken.
Pamela Roz: I feel so I feel like I’m just this like this, because I haven’t had the chance to you and I have spoken over the last two years, multiple times, right? And there’s specific people in my life that I talk to regularly, but I appreciate that because I feel like I’m so rarely the interviewee that when I get the chance to talk about things I love and I’m passionate about, I feel like I’m just like, dadadadadada that’s me, that’s me.
Mark Adam: There, there’s a certain level of like, where do I go? What direction am I moving? I love this. And I love this and I love this. And I like potatoes.
Pamela Roz: I don’t take a breath. That’s what my mom always said, I have to slow down. She always said that. That’s why I’m surprised I’ve worked in radio because, everything changes when you turn the microphone on, you have, it’s just a mindset, right? To slow down, to anunciate, not to swear, to smile. Those are like four of the main tips I can give.
Mark Adam: Here’s the thing I talk right fast. I curse like a sailor and my parents tell me to stop doing both and I ignore the crap out of them. And here we are, I’m doing my own thing.
Pamela Roz: This is a different world.
Mark Adam: It’s true. And that’s why I love the internet, and the ability to control my own destiny. I, I have the advantage of being able to run The WPG, so I say whether or not I get to swear or not. And I just I fucking wanna, so I I just know when you go to, when you go to The WPG Twitch page, it has a mature warning on it, and when you go to my personal Twitch page, there’s a mature warning on it. And it isn’t because there’s nudity, it’s because I have a potty mouth.
Pamela Roz: I wouldn’t even know how to go to your Twitch page, to be honest, so…
Mark Adam: Them there internets. Yeah. Those intertubes I’ll tell you so.
Pamela Roz: The swearing thing’s interesting, because I’m a human, I do it in life, but I still, and this is like not a knock to anyone you swears, I, I will swear in conversation, but I think it’s just ingrained in me.
And because I mean, you have kids and whatever, you might swear in front of them and that’s whatever, I’ve just, for some reason, my nephew was born when I was 14. And I think I have just always had a nephew and nieces and it’s just ingrained in me not to swear in front of them. So if my husband does by accident or my dad does or whatever, I just feel horrified because, it’s just ingrained in me.
And then, my niece and nephews on my husband’s side are one of them is three now. So he’s starting to repeat a lot of stuff. So now, if I swear where before you wouldn’t really be as worried cause they were babies, but I don’t know, sorry, he’s two, but he’s like way beyond that he repeats and he would repeat both my niece and nephew would repeat. So yeah.
Mark Adam: Do you have children or parrots? Because…
Pamela Roz: Totally. Yeah. It’s just a thing. I think radio has, when you’re and when I’m in front of a microphone or around a child, it tends to kind of like take a back seat and see, not to make myself sound so like proper, but it’s just, a thing.
Mark Adam: My relationship with swearing is different. I, my dad was in the Navy and when you say curse, like a sailor, that saying exists for a reason, and he never really swore in the house. And so one day, he played hockey for the intersection league, which is like this ship versus this ship and whatever. So the military has a whole sports league, no matter what sport you want to play.
So he played hockey and I would go to some of the games, and when you’d go, I’d sit in the locker room and wait around and then go out and sit sort of behind the bench and watch my dad play. And the very first time I went, I just, I think I was in shock for like a week because I walked in there and they used the F-word for punctuation. They used it for adjectives and for verbs and for like just every single third word was some sort of swear word. And I just, it, it was a such a shock to me. And I don’t remember how old, I think it was 12 or 13 at the time, and I just remember being blown away by the raw amount of swear words coming out of this small group’s mouth and I don’t want that shock for my kids. I don’t want that trauma to swear in front of them, casually. And they know that they know what the words are. They know that I say them. And then they’ll, you shouldn’t say that. You’re right, I shouldn’t say that. But they hear it enough that it’s I want it. I want it normalized.
So it isn’t this thing where when they get older, it’s like, now I can swear. I want them to know that swearing has a place, right? If I fall down, like I have possibly broken ribs right now. And when that happened I did a bunch of cursing. I just did.
Pamela Roz: I mean, I would be surprised if you didn’t.
Mark Adam: And so that’s a thing. And, they’ve proven through studies that people who swear more, feel less pain, believe it or not. That’s a thing. People like anyway, I’m not going to get into the whole study, but the whole point was I don’t mind swearing in con I don’t. I try not to swear to too much.
And I’ve changed certain sayings instead of saying, get your shit together, cause you can’t say that to a kid, you say, get your poop in a group. You know, that’s, it’s the same thing without the cursing. Right? Get your poop in a group, get your shit together. But without, without swearing at a child, I never swear at my children.
And I think that’s a big difference when, do you swear in front of your kids? Yes. But do you swear at your kids?
Pamela Roz: No.
Mark Adam: No.
Pamela Roz: Yeah.
Mark Adam: When they’re upset, the swear words go away. Or or if they do something and you’re upset with what they’re doing, swearing at them is unacceptable. In my opinion.
Pamela Roz: It just makes them feel, for the most part makes them feel worse.
Mark Adam: Right. And it’s going to make them want to use those words to hurt other people.
Pamela Roz: Yeah. It’s a mirror effect. Totally all learned behavior. I mean, that said, it’s like, my parents did swear in front of us too, but I was too much of a goody-goody in general growing up and I don’t think I swore in front of my parents until I was like 18.
I was like, now I can, I’m an adult. But I think it was just a subconscious thing. I don’t know what it was. Yeah. It’s just I didn’t, I wasn’t too wild as a teenager. I wasn’t wild enough. I say now as a 37 year old, I was like, I didn’t live my life enough and get crazy.
Mark Adam: The first time I swore in front of my mom, I think I was 17 and I can still remember the look on her face. Like just, she was shocked and appalled, but didn’t know how to react. It just, she just sat there. Yeah.
Pamela Roz: And that’s like at 17 too. So, I mean, imagine if you had sworn as a kid.
Mark Adam: Yeah. It’s just funny. Cause I knew all about swearing. I learned it all, right. I knew what it was going on. And I swore with my friends and and just casual conversation, you drop in the old F bomb, it’s not like today where kids nowadays and I there’s a swearing warning coming cause I’m about to put together a sentence, a literal sentence that I heard and I just thought like this, I heard this kid and he was, he was all upset about something. This fucking guy wouldn’t give me my fucking thing, fuck. And I’m like, that was you threw F in there twice. And then the period of the sentence was also, fuck.
Pamela Roz: I hear that on the bus. I that’s, that’s, it’s just it’s almost like they don’t know they’re doing it, to be honest. I think I that’s how I feel, it’s just the way that it flows out and, I said, I was too much of a goody two-shoes growing up, but if I’m on the bus and I hear someone say that, I’m like, oh, especially again, if there’s kids on the bus, not even kids I know.
Mark Adam: Yeah. Yeah. Because there’s some people that just like you, no matter where you go, you’re just everyone’s parent.
Pamela Roz: Yes, this guy!
Mark Adam: I will. Okay. So I recently went to the roller rink. Wheelies Roller Rink. It was an experience. I’d never been, but it was for a birthday party for a 10 year old, and my nine-year-old daughter was one of the invitees and we went and we get there and every kid there that was part of this party, I tied their I tied their, their laces, cause they couldn’t. And when I first got there and the kids were starting getting sorted out, the mothers had come and dropped them off and just left to go get stuff for the party and then came back. So I was the only adult that was still in the building and they just kept coming and like, oh, it’s I can’t get my thing at my boot. So I had to tie everybody’s skates and then they went off, they went.
Pamela Roz: The best bearded Papa.
Mark Adam: I, it just, yeah, it’s just this default. I don’t know what happens, but, and when my youngest she’s seven now, but when she was five, five? Maybe four. I took her to soccer, Timbits soccer, and showed up and nobody knew what was going on, and they’re just like, here’s a ball and 2 nets and go. Yeah. But there wasn’t anybody in charge. So I just, I was just sitting there waiting for somebody to do stuff. And I was like, okay, maybe we’ll just start then. So I’m like, you you’re in that color, you go over there, you’re in that color, you go over there. Here’s the ball. Now you’re kicking this direction, you guys, you want to go that way. Go. And I’m all of a sudden I’m coaching two teams of kids. And I didn’t know, there was a thing I just showed up and that was a thing. I didn’t sign up for this. Who’s supposed to be in charge here? So…
Pamela Roz: You’re living it.
Mark Adam: Hashtag dad life, and I got the dad bod to prove it! So… hashtag normalize it!
Pamela Roz: Thanks for the dad and mom bods. Is a mom bod a thing? Cause,
Mark Adam: I’m sure it is I’m I was working on my dad bod prior to the pandemic, let’s be real, but yeah I was in real good shape, less than a decade ago and that’s gone. That’s gone. I’m just going to blame it all on the pandemic, even though I gave it a headstart. So.
Pamela Roz: You don’t say that out loud though. You can say I blame it on the pandemic hard stop, full stop period.
Mark Adam: Full stop.
Pamela Roz: Full stop..
Mark Adam: Yeah. Anyway, you do other stuff, it isn’t you do the radio thing, you do the PR thing, you do The WPG thing, the Local Maker spotlight. And what else do you do?
Pamela Roz: I write for Canadian Beats, which is I think she is based on the east coast, but it’s writers across Canada. And so I interview Canadian artists like once a week, five questions, and just to kind of get to know them. And my most recent one was Alessia Cara. A lot of them are brand new artists.
Some of them are, I did Stereos a little while ago and then Alessia Cara who’s has a new project now. And yeah, it’s just like a super good way for me to still dip my toes in music and get to know some new or, experienced Canadian artists. And then I do movie and television background work which, it’s slowed down a little bit cause it’s minus 10,000 outside and can’t really conveniently film outside, but I was lucky enough to do a couple of Hallmark things last year.
The Porter, which just started on the CBC, which is incredible, it’s a new series, which you need to check it out. CBC and CBC Gem.
Mark Adam: I have a couple of friends that are in that.
Pamela Roz: It was such a cool experience. The story is, I didn’t take Canadian history in school nor have I studied it on my own, but this is such a such a incredible piece of history that they are that they are telling the story of, and it’s unlike anything that has been on TV and to be even a small part of that, I was a train passenger, so you’ll see me. If you see me in like I’m in a green hat, that’s my key to keep an eye out for. Old greenie I ended up calling my costume because it’s like most background work, you bring your own clothes, because this was such a period piece they gave us costumes. And so, they dry clean them for you every so often, which was a treat because it was multiple days. But. That was probably one of the coolest experiences, because it was such an important story they were telling, and there were so many extras and it was prime in the pandemic.
It was June to September last year. So they did everything safely. It’s incredible that the film and TV productions have been able to keep going as strong as they have, because they have such strict protocols in place because people are traveling in because, I speak so highly of theater and that is one of my first loves in life.
And then the more I do this background work and, hopefully eventually I’ll get to do a line here, a line there. One can help. Even doing the background work it’s it’s such, such a cool operation with The Porter, all the Hallmark films that come here, the Lifetime movies, the there’s an APTN series that’s coming up, it starts filming in the spring.
And the cool part is, I’ve been acting on and off for a long time in theater. But even if someone isn’t an actor has never been on stage or anything, a lot of the time for background work, it can be anyone. They’re always looking for people of different shapes and sizes and ages and heights and weights.
And it’s often quite specific. They’ll put out calls for, they put out a call for a cop that has this very specific look cause they have to fit into this costume. But a lot of the time, including on The Porter because they needed so many, they put a call out, you submit your info, your photos, your measurements, your availability, and then perhaps get hired and perhaps not, it’s, it’s one of those things that sometimes the director has direct say in the look, sometimes it’s the background casting company that chooses in specific, but I encourage people who want to step outside a comfort zone, because even though it is just in the background, the more you watch the background of TV and film, the more important you realize it is because otherwise it would just be like two actors or three actors, with a blank background.
So you definitely play an important role. And once you’re in the middle of, you see the cameras, you see the lights, you see the actors, some, big names that do come to Manitoba. You will want to do it again. So, even if someone’s like, oh, I can never do that. I, you know, I’m not good enough.
It’s possible. I’m telling you this Mark is possible for you to become a movie star.
Mark Adam: That’s crazy.
Pamela Roz: You have a very prominent beard. If they were looking for like specifically bearded husky dad bods, which they have not, in those words,
Mark Adam: I have a Husky.
Pamela Roz: You have a Husky and a dad bod.
Mark Adam: I’m in the money. Um, yeah, no, that’s really, that’s amazing.
And quick last question, cause we’re running very short on time here. You were paid for that, I’m assuming, the background work?
Pamela Roz: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mark Adam: That’s so cool.
Pamela Roz: It is cool! And it’s it’s and it’s not my focus as a full-time job. I know a lot of actors, like I’ve said, theater actors have moved on to film and TV and have done very well.
The last two years and some of even before that but it’s a good way to make a little bit of money. My dad did it a couple of times in the summer. He had never done it before and they say, it’s the ultimate hurry up and wait. You could be sitting there for hours for half an hour, or you could be used the whole time.
Mark Adam: So I’ve played that game where you sit in a room for four hours and then they pull you out. And I was in a period piece too, for a couple of them. This was back in Halifax, but I was in this one movie called Sea Wolf and Neve Campbell was in it, and it was a whole thing. But I was in this period piece and I was a sailor and I’m the scruff looking dude and I’m all dirty and the whole thing, or, and I was supposed to be carrying this pack and just sitting there smoking these fake cigarettes.
Pamela Roz: Oh yeah, those were all over the Porter.
Mark Adam: Oh yeah. But like that, that the scene, we, then that where we shot it, we had to do it and we were doing it for an hour and a half. I smoked so many fake cigarettes.
Pamela Roz: They were like herbal, right? So there’s no taste, but you’re still getting it in your body, right?
Mark Adam: A little bit. Like I tried to bring it into my mouth and pretend, and then, you let it out, whatever, but it was a lot. Like I was choking up for a week after that, but it was all of a sudden it’s Hey, we need you now when we’re like, half of us are like asleep on this, in this old school that they’re using us as their set, it was, it was quite the experience. I know exactly what you’re saying. It’s hurry up and wait.
Pamela Roz: The more you do it, you learn I know exactly what I need to bring to set, now. I bring a book. I make sure I have my phone charger. Sometimes I bring my laptop, if I think there’ll be a little bit of time to work. They don’t recommend bringing a lot of valuables, but if I know, It’s often all your stuff is often watched. Nonetheless, you learn what to bring. I bring the snacks because, I mentioned snacks earlier is kind of my go-to, but there is craft services and yeah, I can’t say enough about the film and TV industry, because even watching the Porter and spotting myself, I was nerdily excited and shouting at the TV and filmed it.
I filmed it and I sent it to one of my best friends and I sent it to my sisters and I just send it to my dad. And I just, yeah, it’s one of those things where it’s one of those things where like, if you’re watching a movie and you spot something from Winnipeg, you’re like, Hey, but it’s me. And I’m going, Hey, my husband’s like finally really understanding what I do on set, as I go for a long period of time, but then actually watching the final result with him is cool for him to be like, okay, cool. Okay. You did it. It was worth it, totally.
Mark Adam: Yeah. And I have a couple of friends that were in it, so I’m really looking forward to watching it. I haven’t yet. No spoilers and I’m yeah, I’m very excited, but we have we’ve run out of time. So before we go, I just want to remind everyone, follow us on those social medias, The WPG Magazine on all of them. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Twitch TikTok, whatever all of them the same, The WPG Magazine.
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So I want to thank Pamela Roz so much for being here. You were wonderful. Thank you so much.
Pamela Roz: Thank you for letting me go on my tangents about all the things.
Mark Adam: Well, that’s why we’re here. We’re here talking to interesting people from Winnipeg. And again, if you think that there’s somebody that should be a guest on the show, or you want to be a guest on the show, email firstname.lastname@example.org and we would love to entertain the thought of interesting people are. We have a really interesting person coming up next week. She’s an author, very, very young author, comparatively speaking to author standards, and very excited about her. She’s right here in Winnipeg. And she wrote a series of books. I ran into her at Winnipeg ComicCon, of all places.
So, again, really interesting people of which you are certainly one, Mrs. Pamela Roz.
Pamela Roz: Thanks.
Mark Adam: So thank you very much for joining us and we will see you all next time right here on The Winterpeg Report.